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I dusagree with Dr. Heiser here. Cyrus decrees to free everybody in his kingdom to return to their homeland. His kingdom included every land the Assyrians deported Israel to.

Postmodernism is correct, unless your view comes from an omniscient place your beliefs and knowledge are incomplete and flawed. The problem with Postmodernism is the further conclusion that "meaning", all meaning, should always be challenged, slandered and rejected. The problem of consciousness is the problem of meaning qua agreement. For most people they can agree to disagree. The flaw in postmodernism is not that they can't, but "shouldn't", agree with anyone, even each other AND themselves.

4:40 “He is questioning the silence of the One He has called ‘My God’”; great quote

‘God does not exist’. What does that mean? ‘God exists’. What does ‘God’ mean? ‘All is as is’. Better said, whatever is!

if you read it accurately to where it says he cursed those boys in the name of Yahweh and they were small boys not teenagers (Na'ar Qatan) and they were mauled to pieces (apologist only use the word children and omit the word that means small or little ) it was small children The End!!! the only way to make Yahweh look less evil is to say oh well that's only because he was a prophet that turned bad lmao Reality is the Old Testament God was in evil character and the Old Testament proves it Constantly. Usually when it was referring to going up or going down it meant an elevation rather than north or south unless they're talking about the underworld than can a low point in elevation or even down in some caves that go underneath the mountains

Those days are far gone now. Theologians are no longer able to keep us in the dark. From the Biblical perspective, it is actually very wicked for any church leader/Clergy to keep or hide the truth of Scripture from the Laity, the sheep of Christ.

Heb 7:1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem........ Heb 7:2 to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated "king of righteousness," and then also king of Salem, meaning "king of peace," .....the scripture correctly interprets itself.....

I read somewhere about Hammurabi that his name has that root of Amorite in it.

Thank you Dr. Heiser for conveying Truth

45:00 ważne purpose każdego dnia

Waiting for all of the Calvinists in the comments to start railing accusations of Pelagianism against the late Dr. Heiser.

I have broken attacks from evil by the powerful name of Christ Jesus. I'm so grateful for Jesus Christ and His sacrifice for us. Thank you Lord, let my love grow more for you every day.💚💚🙏🙏

Isa 66:24 “And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For  their worm shall not die,   their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”. Hell is forever dont go there.

I love Dr Mike. No one else digs deep and thinks broad like he did.

Where’s the list of source material on the episode page ?

typical Paulinist..

Born Again From Heaven Above, Spirit Filled, and led, preterist. All Glory to THE FATHER SON HOLY SPIRIT✝️🩸🕊️AMEN!!!

To possess a target body you need three demons one to pull-out the soul and hold it then two to go into the target body and three to pull out the second demon when they are done having fun with it. The reason the third demon is needed is to pull out the second because the body won't let go of a soul because a soul is life and without that soul the body will die in minutes. The body can only house one soul at a time. If this was a real possession the sign of possession is the body going limp like death before and after possession. Theirs no soul in it when the first demon pulls the target soul out and the body goes limp, it happens again when then the second Demon is cast out during an exorcism. The body will start to die without a soul in it and with an exorcism the first Demon that is the one holding the target soul must let go of the target soul it is clearly up to the target soul to go back into it's body or not. The target soul usually goes back in but if the body is to damaged it will be on the other side for good and what you're left with is a dead body. When the Demons ask Jesus to cast them into the pigs what you had was many Demons taking turns with the target body. The body can only house one soul and back then Demons only had one form of entertainment now times are different most Demons watch TV with you they are also found in big cities and street corners you know the one's with the stop and go lights that shows the little walking man light. I tell you this because they like your cell phone games like watching you play on your phones. Most will sit with you watch TV, harmless most of the time. Listen carefully when I tell do not do an exorcism without the help of an Angel. The proper way to do this is to take a week or two to call on mother Mary she will send an Angel. Jesus will deny his mother nothing and if you choose to do an exorcism and you're a or Priest pray for a week or two over the target body to mother Mary and when the Angel arrives he will place his hands on your head and you will know he is there with you. Now the reason I say call up an Angel is because that dirty little Demon that is holding on to the target soul may not let go of the target soul he may just watch the target body die, it's fun for them. The Angel will force the Demons to leave and then he will carry the target soul back to its body at the same time wiping thier minds of the whole incident, one's got to function after words don't they. Pray for two weeks before starting an exorcism. Mother Mary is the key. You should seek help from a Catholic Priest or a Rabbi who does exorcism. I am not either I am a traveler. I seek a lesser ego. Lucifer is playing the role of adversary, and God is playing the role of God who is against lucifer rebellious ways, but the truth is you're being tricked. Before the deformation of the universe, God will open up a portal back to the beginning before the BigBang he will leave behind all those that will belong to lucifer. Let's call them the lost, and the lost will pass through the deformation, and then hell starts. When you die and you're one of the lost, you will be taken down into Sheol to a long hallway where they place you on your knees then they will bring your hands in on to either side of your head locking you into your own mind into your own personal hell but in no way is this hell, hell doesn't start till after the deformation of the universe. Now, after hell yes there's an after hell you see God is waiting for the reformation of the universe and when that happens all those in hell will be pushed out into a place that seems like heaven but it's not it's just a place of destruction of your soul that is the place that will give you the second death it is the end of you. Sheol is a place of holding hell is a place of torture, and the place you're pushed out to is the place of death. I am a son of God I have walked with my father and I can prove it to you when you die and go before my father's throne look behind his throne and about 45 to 50 feet back you will see a white door, inside that room is a great forest God takes his breaks in there. I have walked with my father in that room. Knowing that Sheol is a place of holding is very important if you make it to heaven because you will be allowed to pray someone out of holding and bring them into heaven just don't stop praying to God for that person and God will send an angel to you to tell you to stop praying your loved one is now waiting for you at God's throne. This ability to pray a person out of Sheol is my gift to you. My father and I talked, and he approved this for me. My father denies me nothing, just like my brother Jesus denies his mother Mary nothing. From Jesus' perspective is what I will offer you. When Jesus died on the cross, he came out of his body his eye went through a monochromatic perception, and then he could see with new eyes he watched as the heat dissipated from his body he could see inside his body as the heat dissipated making his body indistinguishable from the pole he was nailed to. Jesus then was pulled down to Sheol, then Jesus looked down and beheld an ophanim. The ophanim looked like molten gold spinning counterclockwise the ophanim had eyes on its side and was very beautiful. Jesus then heard a sound like that of a dolphin clicking and then a second angel appeared and this angel was a servitor this angel was glowing a bright blue color his skin was something like unto that of translucent but very beautiful and bright. The darkness of Sheol was litup with every movement of this angel. The angel placed both his hands on either sides of Jesus head pulling all his memories form him then the angel moved out about five to six feet away from him, then a Dominion angel appeared and the servitor angel using sound transferred all of Jesus memories to the Dominion angel then the Dominion angel ordered that the ophanim was to release Jesus and so it was done. Jesus then ordered all the Old Testament saints who were asleep in Sheol to be woken up and a place for each one of them to be prepared in heaven. Then Jesus ordered that a portal to his body be open up and the servitor angel turned to what was Jesus left side then the servitor made a sound very loud and a portal was opened up. Jesus then turned around and moved over lava and entered that long hallway in Sheol called, holding. Jesus then ordered that the one's closest to him be woken up so that he might speak with them. Jesus spoke with them for some time, and then he left that hallway called holding as the servitor angel in that hallway one by one placed each soul back on their knees then placed each head on a platform bringing their hands in on to either side of their heads locking them into their own personal hell. Now Jesus told them one will come and he will deliver some of you to take warning because he will wait for you in the front after the reformation of the new universe. No one understood Jesus, but they listened anyway. Some asked him questions, and Jesus answered, but all were placed back to sleep, locking them into their own personal hell. Jesus moved back to the portal, where he looked into it, seeing his younger self laying in bed at his home. Jesus then took his left hand up, opening his fingers, and then a great boom was heard as the portal was activated Jesus then made some jesters with his right hand and the portal fast-forward to his body laying in his tomb Jesus then said some words upgrading his body to be much like that of a Metatron you see Jesus had to upgrade his body because Sheol is a place of forgiveness and if he didn't upgrade his body he would not get his memories back for years after his resurrection. Jesus then passed through the membrane that chasm that separated life from death, thus completing his resurrection... When people who are going to hell die, they will be taken to a holding place in Sheol this hold place will be a long hallway where they place you on your knees then they will place your head on a platform bring your hands in on to either side of your head locking you into your own mind into your own personal hell. This will go on until the deformation of the universe. When you pass through the deformation of the universe, that is when you will enter hell. Hell will not go on forever it last till the reformation of a new universe and the bubble will push you into a place that seems like heaven but it's not it's just a place of holding where they will destroy you. Destroying you is called the second death, and it will be the end of you. Sorry I can prove to you my gospel is true when you die and they take you up to God they will tell you you can ask God one question but before you ask that question look behind God's throne about 45 to 50 feet back will be a white door inside that door is a great forest God takes his breaks in there so remember that white door.😮😢😮😮😮😮😮😮😢😮😮😮😮😢😮😮uhffdfhuu😮😮😮

Again I'm reminded of a Lutheran pastor/priest who emphasized that not only can't God be bought, He doesn't even want us to try. That is so contrary to our gut feelings about things; we believe we have to earn things; the Lutheran pastor described Roman Catholic theology before Luther as saying that Jesus bought you an apartment but you have to pay rent, but Luther said no, Jesus paid the rent, too.

If all Israel meant all tribes of Israel as in OT then that would cause even more problems, as tribe of Dan and Efraim has already vanished. The author of the book of revelation names us twelve tribes Just like they are listed in 1 Chronicles 1-8. Books of chronicles are focused only on kingdom of Juda. That explains lack of Dan. Because Dan lived in northern kingdom of Israel. Also Efraim was often used in prophetic books as Synonim to northern kingdom. Probably that is why in book of revelation it is changed to tribe of Joseph instead of Efraim. Meaning that there are only Jews left. Northern kingdom was gone/ they have vanished. You won't find these tribes I guess. So all Israel as all tribes seems impissible to me.

For some reason, i feel uneasy in my heart when Michael would say that Elohim are "disembodied spirits" - and he also taught that somehow we have a spirit being that leaves the physical body at death...becomes disembodied and goes off to heaven. Aren't the gods in the divine council specially created beings and uniquely different from us? Personally, I can't get onboard with the platonically influenced theology that says we have a 'spirit being' inside our mortal body - our remains are resurrected on the last day. Then there's demons whom he says are "the disembodied spirits of the dead nephilim" Aren't those guys in a different category from us as well?

Forget Denominations. Christianity is a personal relationship with Jesus.

Did Priscilla write Hebrews? In 2nd Cor 12:7-9, Paul said that he had a thorn in the flesh, that it was sent by the messenger of Satan to buffet him, and that he sought the Lord thrice about making it depart from him. A 'thorn in the flesh' doesn't refer to an illness. Biblically, in the OT, it refers to people. In this case, Paul was likely referring to the Judaizers that harassed him repeatedly. Notice that this 'thorn' was given to him because of the abundance of revelations given him. The 'thorn' was attacking the spiritual revelations given to him by the Lord. The three times Paul sought the Lord would then understandably be epistles that refuted the position of the Judaizers. That could be Romans, Galatians and Hebrews. Even though some date Hebrews past the time of 2 Cor, that doesn't prove that some or all of those sermons could have been used to refute the doctrine of the Judaizers before they were later collected and published as an anthology. Nearly everyone would agree that the content of Hebrews contains Pauline thought, but some argue that the style of Greek used is not consistent with Luke or Paul's amanuenses. Who would have had such intimate access to Paul that could write such an anthology? Some say it was Apollos. Apollos was a colleague of Paul and did spend time with him. But, there is no reason for Apollos to be an anonymous author, especially when he had a faction following him. Having ruled Luke out, there is also another possibility. Priscilla and Aquila lived, worked, and traveled with the Apostle Paul, who described them as his "fellow workers in Christ Jesus" (Romans 16:3). Paul lived with them for 18 months while they all three plied their trade of tentmaking. At one point Paul calls Priscilla 'Prisca', a nickname, and she sometimes comes before Aquila when listed. Remember, it was Aquila and Priscilla that took Apollos aside and 'expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly'. Nearly everyone would agree that the content of Hebrews contains Pauline thought, but some argue that the style of Greek used is not consistent with Luke or Paul's amanuenses. Who would have had such intimate access to Paul that could write such an anthology? Some say it was Apollos. Apollos was a colleague of Paul and did spend time with him. But, there is no reason for Apollos to be an anonymous author, especially when he had a faction following him. Having ruled Luke out, there is also another possibility. Priscilla and Aquila lived, worked, and traveled with the Apostle Paul, who described them as his "fellow workers in Christ Jesus" (Romans 16:3). Paul lived with them for 18 months while they all three plied their trade of tentmaking. At one point Paul calls Priscilla 'Prisca', a nickname, and she sometimes comes before Aquila when listed. Remember, it was Aquila and Priscilla that took Apollos aside and 'expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly'. Some say that because Hebrews 11:32 contains the phrase 'time will fail me telling' that its morphology indicates the words are written from a masculine perspective. This in no way removes Priscilla as the writer of this anthology of Pauline sermons. A writer of a collection of another person's writings doesn't take on a different persona than that of of the original author. It would make sense that if Priscilla collected those Pauline sermons into this anthology that she would wish to remain anonymous, considering first century sentiment toward women.

I am a Bible believing Christian. I'm sure many churches would receive letters if the Apostle Paul were alive today. However, I see division amongst denominations as imperfect people, who choose to focus on something, and the rest is not important. As a former Roman Catholic (lecter, EME, and I was asked to be a Deacon candidate) I can tell you that the Roman Catholic Church makes additions/subtractions from the Gospel (1 Cor. 15:1-4) for salvation, and when I ask Catholics how they receive salvation, I usually get a blank stair, but the Roman Catholic Church's answer is purgatory. Then faithful Catholics can pay indulgences for a mass to be said in honor of a dead loved one, as well as praying for that loved one's salvation. This belief denies the diety of Jesus Christ's perfect sacrifice on the cross and His resurrection. Before Jesus died on the cross, He said "It is finished". The earth split in two, the dead arose from graves and walked around the city, and the veil between the Holy of Holies was torn in two. This means that we go directly to Jesus Christ as He is THE way, THE truth, and THE life, no one comes to the Father but through Jesus. Galations 1 and Revelation 22 give stern warnings to those who would add things, such as works, to the Gospel, as well as taking away from the Gospel, and an example of this is when people say that believing in Jesus death, burial and resurrection are not enough to attain salvation. In Protestant churches, I have been repeatedly frustrated by pastors who do not declare the Gospel. I left a church nearly a year ago, because of this. Fortunately, I attend a church now that prays for one another, helps the poor (feeding and clothing them, as well as getting them out of addiction and into programs to become self-sustaining in this life). I recently read the books of Ecclesiastes, as well as 1 John. Ecclesiastes gives us the appropriate perspective to view earthly things...they are all vanity and are meaningless. We cannot take any of these things, and when we die, we are in front of Jesus to be asked if we believed in the Gospel (1 Cor. 15:1-4) at the Bema seat of Jesus Christ. I wouldn't wait any longer. I am not casting stones at either of these churches, but the Gospel is a divisive message. 1 John is an excellent book to read in one sitting and reflect on how we are to live as Christian. We are to be obedient to Jesus Christ and follow His commandments after we are saved. 1 John, and Mark chapter 12 describe the greatest commandment, which is to love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind and strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself. The personal relationship with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is far more important than the Church you attend, but it is becoming harder and harder to find churches that will boldly preach/teach from Scripture, and proclaim the Gospel. I pray for those who are in doubt about anything under the sun. Pray to God the father through the sole mediator, Jesus Christ, that God gave the world, so that all would be saved (John 2). If you aren't loving to others, and still hate your enemies, read 1 John, and repent of your lack of love for your neighbor. Jesus died on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins because He loves us so much. Walk with Him daily and talk with Him about everything. Love your neighbor because there is no better witness than someone living out Christlike faith, because you will be a light to the World.

Excellent exposition...

Machiventa Melchizedek, the Sage of Salem, was incarnated as an emergency Son to keep alive in the world the dying embers of faith pending the bestowal of Christ. It was he that spoke to Abraham, not God, but the later scribes and priests changed the records because they did not want Abraham to be overshadowed by anyone less than God. Heiser criticized the Urantia book but he clearly didn't read it. If you want to know who Melchizedek really was, have a look. Search his name on the online version.

My belief goes further. Gentiles replace the fallen elohim in the third heaven. Not on earth.That is promised to Israel. Gentiles are promised places in the heavens forever, eternity. Dr Heiser went so much deeper than most religious teachers but his connection to spiritual Israel and being Jews crippled his ability to open up to Pauls meanings and writings. The Little Flock and the Body of Christ, The two gospels existed at the same time. The Rapture will further separate the two. Neither is more or better just different and meant for different things. The Heaven singular and the earth. From the beginning and dealt with separately.

I was fortunate to take a semester long class on angelology. Much of what I listen to here is refreshing what I learnt in class, but certainly not all of it. I'm just saddened that he is no longer with us.

Ham was an animal acting like a bull elk in mating season, and Noah cut Ham off through the curse on Ham's unholy offspring Canaan.

God did not curse Ham. Noah did not curse Ham. Noah cursed Canaan. I doubt there is a pure ethnic bloodline from Noah's children, Shem, Ham, and Japeth. I theorize all ethnicities have some Jewish genetics in their bloodlines, just as all Jews have some genetics from all other ethnicities in their bloodlines. Judaism is a religion, not a race. If you believe in the flood story, there is only one race originating from Noah, unless you believe the curse on the line of Canaan created a sub-race of slave people's to serve Shem and Japeth. I believe Canaan, the son of Ham, was cursed by Noah because Canaan was Noah's wifes child by Ham, Ham (uncovered Noah's nakedness), Noah's wife, it was incest between Ham and his mother, Noah's wife. So Noah, the patriarch, cursed Canaan, his wifes son by Noah's son Ham. Sugar coating scripture is a form of false teaching. I have no respect for weak bible teachers with no courage to interpret truthfully. Genesis 9:25-29 NLT - Then he cursed Canaan, the son of Ham: “May Canaan be cursed! May he be the lowest of servants to his relatives.” Then Noah said, “May the LORD, the God of Shem, be blessed, and may Canaan be his servant! May God expand the territory of Japheth! May Japheth share the prosperity of Shem, and may Canaan be his servant.” Noah lived another 350 years after the great flood. He lived 950 years, and then he died. Notice Ham was not cursed, just Ham's son, Canaan. Please don't confuse Ham's, with Hamas. Hamas is Canaan.

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Right off the bat the presumption that Jesus knew what was going on is nutso! He presumes Jesus is god/deity (more than divine) therefore he knows everything. Stick to critical scholars for study, read apologists with caution and read Raymond Brown's WHOLE book. Also read ALL of Psalm 22. Ever wonder why Jews and Hebrew bible scholars interpret it differently than believers? Apologetics' interpretations are never good.

So, where's is the best verses to show sons of God being something like angels? Because Hebrews 1:5 is what is being used to prove angels were not ever referred to as being SONS OF GOD??

They are real believe me. The watchers confusion Angels.

Nice 6.18.24

I still can’t understand whether calling this your home or not is a good thing or a bad. I’ve listened 5 times to the last 20 minute’s, Michael speaks with transparency, the hosts use of wording was poor here. Great interview though. Deo

The amorites were giants and would hurl verbal curses and magnify them with crystal balls. Not only would you hear it but feel it also physically , because of a vibration frequency and the human brain 🧠 wavelength being 7 MHZ. Literally magnifying themselves against God and his people. ((Doesn't your cell phone 🤳 📱 data crystal chip 🔮 vibrate , has audible sound that you can increase the volume and video and visual data , at a certain frequency)) , Basically affecting thier human enemies at a distance with a spiritual curse in a attempt to influence fear , they try to scare you , how many times in the Bible does God say ( fear not .) God only allows the bitter experience of the enemy to bring back his children to him on thier knees and to make the child of God stronger knowing that thier God Jehovah is in control. That thier God Jehovah is the God of the heathens too wheather the heathens understand this or not. This also shows the child of God to trust him and depend on his wisdom and insight, his guidance , his Mercy , his loving kindness, his grace, his right hand in battle, his blood.

Doesn't It Say "Work Out Your Own Salvation" ?..... The Holy Spirit Will Lead You..... God's Will Always Lines Up With God's Word... Opinions Are Just Considerable ..... The "WORD" Is Truth.

@Houseform Apologetics , what of because of the angels means, Gods own angels are gathered in the church and there should be no disorder for orderly entities

ABBA per JESUS

Dr Heiser pretty much summarize the Seventh Day Adventist belief on an Eternal death something to be sad about that I'll be honest with you I hope they're right because there's some family members and friends that I know that didn't die in a good way

He knows our innermost workings.

This is interesting...but, having read the gospels straight through....I find that that they leave an awful lot out! I just dont understand Jesus' preaching of "the Kingdom of Heaven"..........it makes little sense to me......

Just a word of constructive criticism for the host. The way you conduct the show is highly aggravating and obnoxious. Too much commentary and breaks with annoying pointless, shallow rhetoric amidst an important and deep discussion. I will not seek out othe shows on this channel because of it. I assume this is of importance to you, to keep the viewers engaged in your channel. So this may help.

Rest In Peace Dr. Heiser, and may your memory be a blessing.

This Heiser guy was totally clueless on who the "Watchers" are in the Bible. He gets his information of the "watchers" from the book of Enoch, which is a Jewish fable, the book is all a myth. It is a book of 2nd temple literature which has ZERO value, it expalins watchers as angels. The book of Encoh totally CONTRADICTS the Bible, it is "Fools Gold". Another note watchers are NOT sons of God of the OT, elohim/little gods , or a divine council of angels all FALSE!!!! Watchers in the Bible Watchers Daniel 4 Explained!! They are NOT angels!! The degree comes from the THRONE!! Watchers Daniel 4, The chapter is actually FULL of the Trinity>>>Father, Son, Holy Spirit. The Watchers are the Father and the Son of the Trinity, not angels. The book of Enoch and 2nd temple liturature are misleading and give a Jewish mindset of Daniel 4. Christians should view this Christ minded and with the Trinity included. Let's look into this chapter, first with the verses where Watcher/Watchers are used, which is used 3 times is the chapter, Let's look into this divided up in three sections (A, B, and C) SECTION A: Watchers/Holy Ones used Three times each pointing to a Trinity in Daniel 4 and are paired together. 13 “I saw in the visions of my head as I lay in bed, and behold, a WATCHER, a holy one, came down from heaven. 17 "The sentence is by the decree of the WATCHERS, the decision by the word of the holy ones, to the end that the living may know that the Most High rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will and sets over it the lowliest of men.’ 23 And because the king saw a WATCHER, a holy one, coming down from heaven and saying, ‘Chop down the tree and destroy it, but leave the stump of its roots in the earth, bound with a band of iron and bronze, in the tender grass of the field, and let him be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts of the field, till seven periods of time pass over him,’ Actually the Watchers would be the Father and Son, they are the Holy ones, Not angels. Daniel tells us in Daniel 4 :24 "this is the interpretation, O king: It is a decree of the Most High, which has come upon my lord the king," The king and lord of Daniel was king Nebuchadnezzar. The answer of the "decree of the Watchers" in Daniel 4:13, a person has to continue reading Daniel's interpretation and the answer of who the Watchers are is found in Daniel 4:24>>>"it is a decree of the Most High". So it is impossible for angels to be the Watchers, becasue angels are NEVER referred to as the 'Most High", the Title and Status belong to God/Elohim pointing to the Father and the Son. When looking at Daniel 4: 13, 17, and 23, Watchers/Watcher and Holy Ones/Holy One is always "PAIRED Together" meaning this is about the Father and the Son. This Lord God Himself is the ONE who the decree comes from, right from the throne of God, The Kingom of Heaven. The throne is of the Father in Heaven and the Holy One (Watcher) that came down from Heaven would be the Son (Jesus)>>>>Daniel 4:13. Remember this is all in Nebuchadnezzar's head in a dream/vision that he saw while he was laying in his bed. God would speak and communicate with Nebuchadnezzar through visions and dreams. The Bible gives NO mention of angels having authority to to have decisions and make decrees, Only the Father and Son who share in that authority make the decree that is made in Heaven that come from the Throne of God. Angels may have witnessed this in Heaven, but have NO Authority. This explains the plurality of the Watchers which would be the Father (Watcher/Holy One from the throne and the Son (Watcher/Holy One coming down from Heaven. Notice that Holy Ones are uses also 3 times and are linked to the Watchers>>>>Daniel 4:13 “I saw in the visions of my head as I lay in bed, and behold, a WATCHER, a Holy One, came down from heaven. 17 "The sentence is by the decree of the WATCHERS, the decision by the word of the Holy Ones, to the end that the living may know that the Most High rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will and sets over it the lowliest of men.’ 23a And because the king saw a WATCHER, a Holy One, coming down from heaven and saying, SECTION B: "spirit of the holy gods" is used Three Times pointing to a Trinity in Daneil 4 8 At last Daniel came in before me-he who was named Belteshazzar after the name of my god, and in whom is the spirit of the holy gods-and I told him the dream, saying, 9 “O Belteshazzar, chief of the magicians, because I know that the spirit of the holy gods is in you and that no mystery is too difficult for you, tell me the visions of my dream that I saw and their interpretation. 18 This dream I, King Nebuchadnezzar, saw. And you, O Belteshazzar, tell me the interpretation, because all the wise men of my kingdom are not able to make known to me the interpretation, but you are able, for the spirit of the holy gods is in you.” Looking at these verse brings up another question about the Holy Spirit, these verse in Daniel 4, it mentions 3 times that the Spirit is in Daniel, so the Holy Spirit is indwelling Daniel. 1) " in whom is the spirit of the holy gods">>>>Verse 8 2) "I know that the spirit of the holy gods is in you" >>>>>Verse 9 3) " but you are able, for the spirit of the holy gods is in you.”>>>>>Verse 18 All three of these times Nebuchadnezzar is telling this to Daniel. Notice how this is written "spirit of the holy gods is IN you." Does no say "upon" or "overshadowing you.", clearly says the "Spirit" is in Daniel. As Christians we are told that the Holy Spirit never indwelt in the OT, but only in the NT. SECTION C: Most High/King of Heaven Most High 6 times is used and then followed and ends with King of Heaven used 1 time in Daniel 4, when a person totals this up is the number SEVEN, which is the complete number of God. 2 It has seemed good to me to show the signs and wonders that the >>>>Most High God<<<<< has done for me. 17 The sentence is by the decree of the watchers, the decision by the word of the holy ones, to the end that the living may know that the >>>>Most High<<<< rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will and sets over it the lowliest of men.’ 24 this is the interpretation, O king: It is a decree of the >>>>Most High,<<<<< which has come upon my lord the king, 25 that you shall be driven from among men, and your dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field. You shall be made to eat grass like an ox, and you shall be wet with the dew of heaven, and seven periods of time shall pass over you, till you know that the >>>>Most High<<<< rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will. 32 and you shall be driven from among men, and your dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field. And you shall be made to eat grass like an ox, and seven periods of time shall pass over you, until you know that the >>>>>Most High<<<<< rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will.” 34 At the end of the days I, Nebuchadnezzar, lifted my eyes to heaven, and my reason returned to me, and I blessed the>>>>>Most High,<<<<< and praised and honored him who lives forever, Daniel 4:37 Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise and extol and honor the >>>>>King of Heaven,<<<<< for all his works are right and his ways are just; and those who walk in pride he is able to humble. Reading thru these verses "Most High (God)" is used 6 times in Daniel 4, verses 2, 17, 24, 25, 32 and 34, then ends with "King of Heaven." used One time, a person adds this up to the Number 7, shich is the complete number of God. All this is in Pointing to and is in Reference to God Himself. The Father is God, The Son (Jesus) is also God. Only other time in scripture watcher is used is in Job 7:20>>> "If I sin, what do I do to you, you Watcher of mankind? Why have you made me your mark? Why have I become a burden to you?" In this passage of scripture the Watcher is God. In Summary it is very clear that the Trinity is present in Daniel 4, the Watchers/Holy Ones would be God/Elohim who are the Father and the Son (Jesus/Christ) and NOT angels, never have been, angels do NOT have Authority from the Throne and do NOT rule Kingdom of Heaven, that belongs to the Father and the Son. The Holy Spirit/Spirit of God is indwelling Daniel inspiring Daniel of how to Interpret Nebuchadnezzar's vision. Sad people look to the book of Enoch, which is also called "book of the watchers" and so many are mislead, because the book of enoch is actually a "Jewish Fable., the book of Enoch is "Fools Gold", nothing more than a "Myth." People that teach angels as watchers and sons of God of the OT as angels, very much live up to what Paul writes in 2 Timothy 4. 3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

Read the whole psalm of 22. It's a talmudic practice to reference one line of a passage with the onus being for the student to know the full passage. If you read it in It's full context, it's beyond beautiful. Shalom shalom.

Thank God for heiser man..

Wow. This sure does answer questions of mine, but I need time to think it over 😄

Why don't they do carbon dating or something similar on these mss?